Conference Live 2005
Conference Live
2001
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Red and Blue Conference
Understanding the Present – Stakeholder Perspective on Trends
Divided into two groups, the "Red Conference" and the "Blue Conference", conference attendees were further separated into "Shareholder" groups for additional discussion based on the Mind Map exercise. Each group was asked to identify trends based on their perspective, as well as what they or their organizations were doing now and wanted to do to address those trends.
Red Conference:
Shareholder Perspective on Trends
Business Group
Trends:
- Taxes to subsidize public government causing private to go out of business
- Household spending on transportation
- Increasing suburban congestion
- Environmental Issues
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Subsidize all kinds of transportation |
More cooperation between governments and private businesses |
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Have tried to work with environmentalists (Legacy Highway) |
Encourage business |
Combined Community Development and Oversight Group
Trends:
- Increasing population
- Increased use of trails
- Urban sprawl/ urban planning
- Improve efficiency of private car use
- Air quality/ Congestion issues
- Quality of life
- Need to support populations unable to use private transportation
- Mass transit growth –3%
- TRAX –1.5%
- Number of cars increasing
- Private cars is 99% of transportation while 35% of transit dollars go to UTA
- The need to move growing masses of people
- Family costs increasing
- Cost of all transportation increasing
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Provide transport for special needs group from private sources. |
Improve transportation with more vehicles available.
Teach people to use available public transportation.
Improve efficiency of the bus system (empty buses).
Provide specialized, on-call transportation. |
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Smart growth planning – planning transportation with growth |
Improve means of accessing TRAX.
Promote development that supports transportation options. |
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Limit urban sprawl |
Support liveable communities. |
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Lack of funding. |
Need funding for new transportation technologies. |
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Air Quality: improving fuel efficiency/ alternative energy |
More |
Combined Governments (City and Other) Group
Trends:
- Economics/ stability to accomplish transportation needs. Taxation issues: fewer dollars.
- Olympics: more federal funding to Utah (highway funding), interagency cooperation (but some steam rolling)
- Growth: land use, population
- Response not keeping up with demand
- Accessibility for all
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Mass transit not meeting all needs. |
Look at funding for mass transit. Some toll roads? |
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Asking legislature to look at tax system |
Good fast transportation |
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Salt Lake County employees (hiring freeze) – increasing volunteers |
Smarter transportation – mass transet priority |
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Taxing gasoline to provide sales tax to support transit |
Efficient transportation – economical? |
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Large employee subsidizing transportation – i.e. U of U, LDS Church |
Clean up air |
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Increasing accessability |
Encourage transit and develop efficient for business/ residence. More/ smarter transportation increases accessibility. |
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Senior citizens don’t have money or can’t get to bus stops. |
Fix sidewalks – infrastructure inadequate |
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UTA provide service for schools |
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Design infrastructure to promote public transit and alternative transportation |
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Insurance companies give break for taking public transportation – Taxes help to cover uninsured |
User Group
Trends:
- ADA/ Seniors/ Minorities
- Not enough land or money
- Lack of efficient system
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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ADA/ Senior/Minorities
ADA announcements
80% lifts on buses
Paratransit weekend and Holiday service limited
Fare rate affordable
Available Alternative format: Braille, Bi-lingual |
ADA better system
Go to 100% lifts on buses
Better paratransit scheduling system
Expand services for employment
Maintain affordable fare rate
Expand to multiple languages - publicize |
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Not enough land or money
Park and Ride – Expanded some
Tax base in SL, Davis and Weber Counties |
Expand all parking lot size
Expand to Utah County
Tax base in Utah County |
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Lack of efficient system
Good North/ South for SL valley
Current freeway system HOV lane
Poor freeway signage
Freeway sound barriers
Freeway lighting |
Increase East/West system
Expand into Utah County
Continue HOV lane North and South
Improve freeway signage
Continue freeway sound barriers
Increase freeway lighting |
Transportation Group
Trends:
- Changing nature of public policy/ planning. Plans and funding determine system.
- Better public transit system – tighter and more frequent, competitive with automobile choice. Better system takes funding.
- More expensive equipment, fuel, right of way.
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Transit Tax |
More coordinated planning |
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WVC, WJ, SJ, Taylorsville, Midvale coalition |
Better and more efficient equipment |
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More planning and coordination |
Use technology for better service |
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Expanding transit service |
Expanded service |
Blue Conference:
Shareholder Perspective on Trends
Oversight group
Trends:
- Accessibility
- Independence
- Security/Choice
- Money (Payer/user, Revenue Sources, Maintenance, Government vs. Private, Expansion, Equipment)
- Quality of life
- Liveable communities
- Easy access to employment
- Environmental issues/
- Safety-Security
- Technology
- Economic Growth
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Compliance |
Different seating configuration |
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Bike racks |
Surveillance cameras |
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Transit security officer |
Local government negotiates with landowners for density exchange for ROW |
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Partnerships with Employment Centers |
Accountability through accurate records |
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Rail expansion- U of U Medical Center |
Expanding outreach for partnerships |
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Sacrificing bus for Light Rail |
Balanced transportation modes |
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Work from home |
Change of service- flexible |
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Still have traffic congestion after major investments |
Frequent service 24/7 |
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Wheelchair access |
Smaller more flexible bus |
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Intermodal transit hubs |
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Computerized departure, destination routes |
Combined Government (City and Other) Group
Trends:
- Affordability (user and system)
- Accountability (better information)
- Environmental
- Safety
- Sustainability
- Road construction and maintenance
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Funding |
Education |
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Education- financing |
Innovative Financing |
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Corridor preservation |
Balance funding |
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Use of mass transit |
Subsidize Transit passes- large businesses |
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Air quality |
Corridor preservation |
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Land use planning |
Efficient land use planning |
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Congestion relief |
Inter-jurisdictional planning cooperation |
Transportation Group
Trends:
- Sustainability
- Technology
- Independence Modal Choice Accessibility
- Funding, Availability/Affordability
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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NOW |
Enact |
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Envision Utah |
Proactive planning/involvement |
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Reacting to decisions made by others |
Better modeling |
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Commuter link |
Alternative Fuels |
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S=I-L |
System integration between modes |
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TRAX |
More TRAX spurs |
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Flex Trans |
Commuter ADA ramps |
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Bike lanes |
DMU |
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Different vehicles |
Available 24/7 |
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Prioritizing competing demands |
More roads |
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Subsidize |
Bike/pedestrian |
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Move Forward with all modes |
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Pay full cost for transportation (Private funding or non-profit funding) |
User Group
Trends:
- Affordability
- Safety (round-abouts, road rage)
- Accessibility/Tidiness
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Discussion on CAT committee |
Alternate funding sources |
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Conducting surveys |
Proportionate Fare increase/ across the board |
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Hitting hardest on those who can least afford it |
Educate the engineers |
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UTA holding public hearings |
Safe bike routes and walking paths |
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Presentation at schools |
Other city’s layouts |
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Community TV |
Graphic PSA’s |
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Pedestrian safety flags |
Expansion of service area |
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Very little law enforcement |
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Routing studies |
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Combined Business and Destination Centers Group
Trends:
- Individuality- freedom of choice
- Flexibility of work times/modes
- Getting people to and from (patients, visitors, staff)
- Increasing number of vehicles p/household
- Accessibility to alternative forms of transportation
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Company incentive to employees for carpooling (bus/TRAX) |
More rail alternatives |
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Telecommute |
Good mix of transportation choices |
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Flex time |
Healthy mix of housing products |
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Large parking lots |
Apply technology/ R & D |
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Parking garage |
More choice |
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Houses with three car garages |
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Larger freeway |
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SUV promotion |
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Building light rail and commuter rail |
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Community Development Group
Trends:
- Sustainability - long term investment & dividends
- Livable Communities - Pedestrian/Bicycle Friendly
- Technology
- Alternatives/Choices - Reliable and Convenient
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Doing Now |
Want to Do |
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Planning for rail transit |
Regional planning |
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Envision Utah process |
Equitable sales tax distribution |
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New service |
Transit/employment center coordination |
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Partnerships/Coordination |
Telecommuting- take advantage of technology |
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Pedestrian/Bicycle planning |
Address/interconnecting planning issues |
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Good examples (local and other) |
Owing the Present – "Prouds" and "Sorries" Owning Up
To learn how they feel about the current situation and to understand what stakeholders see as contributions to what’s working and what’s not working "Red Conference" and "Blue Conference", in "Shareholder" groups, continued by identifying individual "Prouds" and "Sorries".
Red Conference:
Business Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Worked with Legacy Highway group |
Thought light rail was a bad idea |
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With Chamber of Commerce, worked to help Redwood Road businesses during construction |
Didn’t know then what I know now |
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Worked on coordinated highway/traffic projects |
Couldn’t have more influence with environmentalists |
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At home business |
Make mass transit more efficient. |
Combined Community Development and Oversight Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Participation in shift to mass transit |
Lack of success on issues of open space with some communities. |
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Advocate for smart growth and liveable communities |
Growth patterns that force automobile dependence. |
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Research on ineffectiveness of current dead paradigms for transit. |
Unable to secure funds to fight East/West light rail. |
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Helped make image of public transit better within the community |
Local independent mass transit entities succumbed to other pressures. |
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Support and implementation of the trails systems. |
Inability to completely convince communities of the dangers of urban sprawl. |
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Support, study and implementation of Utah County corridors. |
Haven’t had support for traffic calming techniques. |
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Helped immigrants/refugees in need of transportation to find it. |
Haven’t met the need yet. |
Combined Governments (City and Other) Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Designed and built I-215 West |
Bring UTA service into Payson |
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Carpool |
Not enough funding to fix old road under his responsibility |
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Manage a transportation program for older adults |
Don’t use public transit enouth |
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Speaks out for all who need transportation |
Not enough options |
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Supported mass transit in community – Referendum that failed and succeeded |
Can’t help everyone in need, lack of resources |
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Bring UTA service to Payson |
Didn’t understand how to get referendum passed in ‘92 |
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Supported sales tax increase for public transit |
Angry, burned out and bitter |
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Can’t adequately fund all that is needed including current infrastructure |
User Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Use public transit |
Don’t use public transit as often as one should |
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Effort to improve urban mobility |
Didn’t voice opinion on poor lighting |
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Use public transit with bike |
Need to bike more |
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Vocal at Town Meetings |
Need to be more impactful |
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Ride TRAX occasionally |
Need to walk more often – car less |
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Paratransit Operator |
Denied rides as a paratransit operator |
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Use TRAX to downtown SLC |
Don’t take the bus to work |
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We all use public transit |
We don’t use public transit enough |
Transportation Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Made tough decisions |
System is less than SL City Lines |
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Increased paratransit rides |
No transit formula funding to plan on |
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Built TRAX |
Spread transit resources too thin |
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Rebuilt I-15 |
Don’t have alternate fuels |
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Added Holiday and Sunday service |
UDOT road focus |
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Public vote of confidence |
Can’t get ahead |
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Cooperation with State, County, UTA, Cities |
Haven’t been more successful in education |
Blue Conference:
Oversight Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Compliance |
Mind set |
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Speed of construction of rail system |
Inflexibility |
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Flex Trans |
Environment of Stops |
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Proud
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Cooperation between other government agencies and private organizations |
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Express shuttles |
Waste of our dollars |
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TRAX |
Cost comparison of modes |
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Encourage brownfield development |
Unfunded mandates |
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Technology |
Cost of sprawl |
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Fuel efficiency |
Unfair compliance on environmental issues |
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Home base jobs |
Minimum standards |
Government Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Light rail |
Abandoned old lines |
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Started Commuter Rail |
Didn’t push harder on corridor preservation bill |
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I-15 Expansion |
Lack of pedestrian and bike right of way |
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¼ cent sales tax |
Urban sprawl |
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Transit safety is a priority |
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Transit outreach to communities |
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State stimulus of land use/transit dialogue |
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Transportation Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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To work in this industry |
Not using better technology to measure ridership |
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Balance transit/versus roads |
Educate communities on transportation land use |
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Sales tax passed |
Remaining in the box for solving issues |
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Building better and safer systems |
Takes so long to get things done |
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Pro-active in design and development of multi modal centers |
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Coalitions along the Wasatch Front |
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Finish I-15 & TRAX early |
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Olympic Readiness |
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User Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Increased independence of disabled |
Haven’t educated traffic engineers on the needs of the disabled |
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Have become involved in the decision making process |
Did not allow myself to do so much sooner |
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Courteous driver of a motor coach |
Let other people influence my thinking |
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I use public transportation to work |
Involved in public transportation earlier in my career |
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Become proactive |
Unaware of possibilities that existed |
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Being able to connect the population that I advocate for / liaison with UTA and group |
All of the above + |
Combination Business and Destination Centers
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Parking, garage planning |
Not using public transportation (but not necessarily enough to change) |
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Helped create bike paths |
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Livable communities |
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Encouraging public transit |
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Community Development Group
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Proud |
Sorry |
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Light rail |
Don’t have more money/resources |
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Effect change |
Sometimes principles take a back seat |
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Public vote for transit |
Takes so long to implement plans and build projects |
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Moving towards pedestrians as a priority |
Don’t always see the "big picture" |
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Bike/transit interface |
Too little cooperation |
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Changes in attitude about "smart growth" |
Too little communication |
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Education |
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Understanding the Present – Stakeholder Perspective on Trends and
Owing the Present – "Prouds" and "Sorries" Owning Up
In the "Red Conference" and "Blue Conference" groups, participants discussed the ‘Understanding the Present" and "Owning the Present" activities.
Red Conference Group Discussion Regarding Understanding/ Owning the Present:
- I didn’t think about this until today, because I am oriented toward highway building, but John Inglish mentioned that every time you ride the bus it’s a toll system. If you think that way then we need to work out a better way for buses to get from point A to point B, as highway builders, so that buses can travel just as fast as any other system.
- I think about what you say about more efficient bus systems. I have lived in Washington, DC and enjoyed an excellent bus transportation system. It seems to me that if the people moving industry as a whole works together to come up with the most efficient and usable plan it benefits all. She noted that states that have toll roads tend to have excellent people moving systems.
- What we are seeing is dots all over the place and issues about coordination and cooperation. It seems that what we have done in the past is focus on one area over others and what we need is to focus on transportation issues as a whole. The highway people need to work with transit on bus priorities, the transit system needs to work with cities on curb cuts and sidewalks, the paratransit users need to work within the system for improvements. Cooperation and coordination is essential to get the most benefit for all.
- As part of the Transportation Planning Group, I think that what we need to be doing from this day forward is keep in mind to incorporate transit friendly roads whenever we widen, improve or build new roads. We have never asked a transit planner to help us design a far-side bus access stop, for instance and this could make a huge difference in accessibility issues, etc. I think that we need to start incorporating the transit expert in the design of these facilities.
- Funding for these improvements is an issue. We need to make sure that we are prioritizing system wide, not city wide, to spend the money wisely. If we want the continued support of the people we need to focus on their needs and expectations.
- I understand that in the past, Aging Services did work in an alliance with UTA. It seems that this would be a valuable effort. We recently received funding for the purchase of two vehicles in 2002 for our program.
- Work smart with what we have and also remember that we all have a disability or are a step away from ending up with a disability. We all need to come together and work together instead of saying "This is mine", or "My budget is more important than your budget".
- As we have worked together today in our individual groups and larger groups, what often comes up is the issue of a lack of funds. I am wondering about the possibility of looking outside the box and going somewhere besides local taxpayers for that funding. A new Federal program has been developed to grant funds to new inventive transportation systems. We need to find ways to get funding from Federal sources instead of State funding.
Think about what you have done about these problems and what you could do about them.
- Is there some other city with a similar geographic nature to the Wasatch Front that we could study for the future?
- Today we talked about 1960 to today and when we think about how far we have come we need to pat ourselves on the back. We have done some innovative, creative things like the design/build projects, that we can be really proud of.
- One of the things to be proud of that I don’t think most people in the region understand, is that UTA provides more service per dollar spent than almost any other agency of its size in the United States. A very important thing that needs to happen is a coordination of land use decisions and decisions about transportation. This is an area that we really haven’t figured out yet.
- We are seeing some change already today. I have heard highway people talking about coordination with transit services, when just a few years ago this was impossible. There are some areas in urban design as well where we could make improvements in design for public transit. We design some neighborhoods as fortresses against public transit service when with a few small changes they could be accessible. These are areas that we need to all come together to improve the quality of all of our services.
- I love to take credit for the fact that we run one of the best mediocre transit systems in the country. It doesn’t work not because it is an inherently bad system, but because it hasn’t had enough attention paid to it. A good system is one that works equally well for everyone, whether they are disabled or not, whether they have a car or not.
Red Conference Group Discussion Regarding Understanding/ Owning the Present:
- A lot of have the same ideas.
- Were not there yet, how are we going to get there it is going to be difficult to get to where we want to be.
- I learned that there is a genuine concern by all of us about public transportation and safety. Nice to learn we’re on the same track.
Thoughts about day 1
- Impressed with the diversity, part enjoyed the most was the brainstorming on the big chart, all those branches coming out. I have such a different view of the entire picture than I did before. Not just a little slice of my personal experience, I realize what the bigger picture is. We are all trying to get to the same place and have more in common than I originally thought.
- Not alone with what I thought should be done, a lot of good ideas have come out of this and will come out over the next few days.
- I was impressed with Senator Bennett’s presentation this morning. It helps us to know that we have leaders in Washington and a senator in Utah that shares the same interest as us. I was impressed with his comments this morning.
- One thing that stood out is Senator Bennett’s comment that put transportation in perspective, make it possible in the right place. Growth in our economy, what were here for.
- We come from quit a diverse background and we got down tot the nuts and bolts and found same issues and desires. We are not on opposite sides of the fence, we are all in the same game. If we can get together on the same bill as a unified group rather than segments than we can accomplish the goals that we are working toward.
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